There’s this guy I know from this kiruv program I do, lets call him Moshe. My group of friends and I were friendly with him at a past shabbaton (or maybe I should say that HE was very friendly) and I'm friends with him on Facebook, and I’ve always noticed that his statuses are always very “gay”. I just assumed he was a very feminine guy who was obsessed with Gossip Girl and very excited to see High School Musical 3. I was actually impressed that he was so confident with his masculinity that he wasn’t afraid to be open about these things. Today, he uploaded a new album titled “My obsessions”. In this album are pictures of all the celebrities that he really likes. More than half are pictures of guys. And about 2/3 of THOSE pictures, are shirtless guys. I was like hmmm, something’s up. I IMed my friend who knows him and this is our conversation word for word (names changed):
me: u know moshe
Sara: ya...hes gay!!!!
me: is he gay?
like for real?
Sara: we were friends with him on the shabbaton!
call me now!
me: WHATTTTTT
omgggg
k
Of course I called Sara right away and she proceeded to tell me about how a few weeks ago she was at a birthday party for her friend, and Moshe was there. He was a bit drunk, and they were talking about the upcoming kiruv shabbaon. He said he wasn’t going anymore because they kicked him out.
Because he is gay.
HE CAME OUT TO MY FRIEND!
I'm very accepting and non-judgmental, but I was so surprised because I have never before known an openly gay frum guy!
Do you think that if I'm really nice to him, he will be my gay best friend? I've really wanted one of those for a very long time.
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I've ALWAYS wanted a gay best friend!!
can you share him?!
I mean, I work with a gay guy, but he's so not the type I'd want to hang out with. No similar interests and he's like 15 yrs older than I am. lol
lol yea this guy is SOOO the type.
he would go shopping with u and tell u if u looked fat.
:)
send him my way!!!!!!!!!! :)
hehe :). shopping wtih straight guys is a pain in the tuchas. haha
ES PES!!!!!!!!!
chico was right! (i mean, who didn't think it at some point!?!?!?)
I'm dying.
I saw the album too and was WONDERING.
But the profile pics of kissy girls!?!?
p.s. my word verif today is: pesinan - to be pessyish? Like "that was such a Pesinan post!"
wow, I've never seen one. Although I heard of a few.
By a succah party, a guy actually kissed a married guy on the mouth, but that was cause he was drunk, they were both straight. The 13 year old daughter who had saw this freaked out.
"The Babysitter said...
wow, I've never seen one. Although I heard of a few."
Lol, you make gay people sound like an exotic species. "Look Mildred! Theres one! Ooh, look at him go!"
Anyways Babysitter, I hate to break it to you, but two straight guys wont kiss on the mouth no matter how drunk. For them to do that they have to at least be bi.
Frum Punk, if she would just take the train to da east village...
FrumPunk: lol, well I only know about them from Will and Grace and other such movies/tv shows, so I haven't figured out if it's a real concept yet. Although I've heard about it a lot on the news discussing their rights and such. But never met one.
Really? But when I said kiss on the mouth I meant that he kissed his lips, not that they used tongue or anything. The married guy didn't kiss back. The person had just kissed him out of happiness and drunkness combined. In front of a whole crowd of people by a succah party.
babysitter- it is a VERY real concept. btw if u dont mind me asking- how old are u? just wondering.
frumpunk- i dont think any guy is bi. a guy who says he is just hasnt fully come out of the closet yet.
Espes: ok, I know it's a real concept, but you know what I mean...
same old as you, perhaps a year younger.
I worked in west village for 2 years, never saw one.
I think I saw one when I went with wife to pick up Pride and Prejudice movie. Bought it on ebay and then found out the guy is in the village so we agreed that we'll come pick it up. He was in a video store, still, village, and I don't think there's many straight who'd watch it.
espes: No, bi people exist. I knew one, he truly had an equal attraction to men and women. I guess it doubles your dating chances. :)
frumpunk: i dont know... i strongly believe that a guy cant be bi. it just doenst make sense.
and i dont think a girl would want to go out with a bi guy- thats kinda awkward.
espes: why doesn't it make sense? a guy naturally likes girls. So then here there can be a light mutant gene that causes them to like their gender too.
Could be it's all psychological. Could be they convince themselves that they like both equally the same way.
Plus if some guys are very sick then they can be bi cause they want as much as they can with any type. Plus isn't that what a threesome is?
Espes: lol, yea I can't believe I made my comment either.
Don't worry you didn't say anything I didn't already know.
Unless if you tell me what the institutions were all about? :-p
one day my dear, one day
ahh You gave me hope!
My friend's boyfriend actually left her for a guy. And he seemd totally straight.
So, if you've never met someone who is gay or bisexual, and spoken with them, what would your opinion of wether they exist or not be based on?
my best friend gay (he is Jewish but not frum - did come from a frum family) and he is just the best. I love getting his hand me downs
RE Babysitter: "why doesn't it make sense? a guy naturally likes girls. So then here there can be a light mutant gene that causes them to like their gender too."
W00t??? Where the heck did you get that from? Esp since you don't actually know any gay folks.
Jacob Da Jew: I made that up. Was I right? I guessed that based on what I learned in genetics in Biology.
There's nothing genetic about sexual preferences, just like there's no gene that gives you a preference for spicy foods or action movies.
FrumPunk: but there totally is, at least there's a gene that makes you like girl things v. boy things.
can't find my biology book right now.
First of all there are people who are born with wrong gender stuff or something, I remember learning about it in sem and was grossed out so I forgot what it's called, or where it can be missing or something.
But anyways, it's based on the x and y chromosomes and when it crosses over.
The Y chromosome does not have many known genes and is different
from the X. However, the X and Y chromosomes act as if they are
homologues during meiosis and pair up during synapsis. The XY
combination is called hemizygous. The Y chromosome does have
special genes which when activated at the right time of fetal
development cause the fetus to develop as a male. Females
develop as females since Y-specific genes are not present.
Occasionally, in genetic males (XY), the genes do not turn on at
the correct time in development or are faulty, and therefore,
they also will develop as females.
When I learnt that part in bold, I figured that's what genetically makes someone have one gender but yet act like another.
babysitter: I must say, after reading all this I'm especially surprized at you babysitter! I didn't think you were that into bisexuality, tounge kissing and threesomes! (Though honestly; yes. There obviously has to be at least some element of either male or female acceptance of at least some level of bisexuality in order for it to take place).
I think what you were getting to there about some people who seem to have been born with strong same-sex sexual (emotional/)attraction is that (according to Dörner (Germany, 1970's) some males really were born with higher levels of estrogen than the average males, and some females with a higher level of testosterone than the average female. And of course one can slowly change sexual tendencies, so 'bisexuality' (that one was not born with) is obviously possible.
This is suggesting, as you stated, that homosexuality is somewhat of a mutation, and this opinion is seen offensive, and therefore somewhat repressed by advocats of homosexual equality (though it hasn't been 'disproven' scientifically).
Shlomo: lol, I'm not into that stuff. But since I didn't bring the topic up I figured I could comment on it.
That makes sense what you said, I might of heard that once. That's why someone woman have mustaches.
Yea, it's actually funny cause I saw a commercial with Hillary Duff advertising that people shouldn't use the term "gay" so loosely, as an insult. Like saying "don't buy that, that's so gay". So it's used in a derogatory way, so they want to get people to stop using it that way, cause it's offensive to the gay people.
I think I finally saw a real live gay person. In college I was walking in campus, and I passed by this guy and girl, and the guy said in response to something the girl said "o, that's so cute". In such a way like girls say it.
"I think I finally saw a real live gay person."
hahahhaha u have no idea how funny that sounds
babysitter: Man, are you, like, 'looking' for gay people?! If you're really interested, it's well known that Manhattans' lower west side (Greenwich Village) is known for having a large homosexual population..
EsPes: glad to make you laugh
Shlomo: lol, nope I'm not looking for them. I just happened to notice one for the first time.
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